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Why people should be in jail over the economic collapse, the involvement of President Obama, the importance of OWS, and an AVAILABLE ECONOMIC SOLUTION

Seeded on Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:53 PM EST
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Seeded by Bart Gruzalski
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Obama's inaugural speech in 2009 did have a bit of Keynesian rhetoric, but then he also said we all have to be prepared to make sacrifices.....

To the extent that sacrifices need to be made, shouldn't the people who've made out like bandits this past generation be first in line?

...

It's a little shocking that that shorthand rhetoric about "shared sacrifice," ... infiltrated the rhetoric from the beginning, even with a Democratic president. That's a major part of the reason we're still in this slump.

PLAYBOY: So rather than talk about shared sacrifice, should the slogan be "Let's spend more and aid the people"?

KRUGMAN: How about "Let's get this country moving again"? I'm as prepared as anybody to preach root-canal economics under the right circumstances, but this is not the time for it.

We could conceivably have a full economic recovery that would just put us back where we were in 2007, which would be a shame. But it would be a lot better than not having a recovery. In 2007 America was not a happy story, but it was not a catastrophic story the way America is right now. I want America, at least in income-distribution terms, to go back to 1973. But I want employment, at least at first, to get back to 2007.

PLAYBOY: You perhaps more than anyone expressed surprise and disappointment in the president when he failed to champion a much larger stimulus in 2009.

KRUGMAN: Obama is very much an establishment sort of guy.

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Bart Gruzalski

Paul Krugman is a highly respected economist (his credentials begin the seeded article). He also doesn't pull punches. Obama is hardly blameless and folks should be going to jail for fraud and more.

CoH please.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:57 PM EST
economics101

Obama was put in the white house to protect the bankers .... Their usual pals in the GOP couldn't hope to win, so they got a guy who would confuse everyone with "change" talk .... What we've really had is more of the Clinton / Bush Wall St Agenda.

Anyone who thinks the banks don't run this country, regardless of whos in the WH is nuts. The real problem is not which party to vote for, but how we get control back from these scum.

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:18 AM EST
Bart Gruzalski

There is a potential non-bankster candidate out there. I will try to post an accurate update on this candidate as soon as possible (probably by next Friday). I hope the update shows the possbility of a real winl

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:11 AM EST
follow the money

Foreclosure Fraud....this one is for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkpy6Af9jpo

    #1.3 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:03 AM EST
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    truthlover

    Bart, great seed. I'll clip around. I've some comments and links but can't do it now. Soon though.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#2 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:18 PM EST
    Bart Gruzalski

    What keeps happening to my summary? Is someone in the Vine establishment keeping it out? My gosh, that would be censorship!

    Here's what I am interested in adding:

    You need to see the Academy Winning documentarÿ "Inside Job" if you want to get a sense of what this is really about.

    Here's the trailer: here. (Less than three minutes)

    Here's an short segment with Obama in it (less than two minutes)

    • 3 votes
    Reply#3 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:55 PM EST
    DrBrooks

    Bart,

    I am just glad that your colum is back up. I was not able to access your user page for days. I feared we lost you for good!

    • 1 vote
    #3.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:17 AM EST
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    truthlover

    Bart, I saw that too. Weird. A summary, then no summary, then a different summary (same ideas of course). But this is from the article and I think worth quoting:

    [Krugman: I say we’re still in a depression. I’ve taken to calling what we’re in the Lesser Depression. It’s not as bad as the Great Depression, but it’s like the Great Depression. It’s a prolonged period. We’re now four years into high unemployment and lousy economic prospects for most people. If you’ve lost your job, your chance of getting another is small. The number of people who’ve been unemployed for long periods is at a level we certainly haven’t seen since the 1930s. What we’re experiencing is an economy that probably feels in a lot of ways like the U.S. economy in 1937, when, almost everyone now agrees, policy makers were way too complacent and should have kept on pushing for more employment. It’s lousy..... It really is catastrophic. If you include people who aren’t actively searching for a job and people who are working part-time even though they want full-time work, we’re up to about one in seven. That means the unemployment rate is 16 percent. I live in a fairly rarefied social class now and so probably hear a lot fewer personal horror stories. But I do hear them: people my age, 58-year-old guys who’ve lost jobs and see no chance of ever getting another one; young people out of college with good qualifications who can’t find anything, who can’t get their lives started. The human damage is enormous.

    PLAYBOY: Some of that debate is irrelevant to the average person. All they know is they don’t have a job or they don’t have a job that pays enough.

    KRUGMAN: The point is there’s a tremendous amount of suffering. A lot of America is much worse off than it was four years ago. I think the main reason you should be angry about it is that it’s gratuitous. This doesn’t have to be happening. We actually have the tools to make most of this go away. If we could throw aside the political prejudices and bad ideas that are crippling us, in 18 months we could be back to something that feels like a much better economy.

    That's an amazing statement--the suffering of broad unemployment is unnecessary. I'll pick up on this in a few minutes.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#4 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:48 PM EST
    truthlover

    Here's the punchline for the above quotes:

    PLAYBOY: So people in America today are suffering when they don’t have to be because of policy makers who won’t do the right thing?

    KRUGMAN: That’s right. I’ve gotten some grief for my remark that if it were announced that we faced a threat from space aliens and needed to build up to defend ourselves, we’d have full employment in a year and a half. But that’s true. Why couldn’t we do that to repair our sewer systems and put an extra tunnel under the Hudson instead of to fight imaginary space aliens? Everybody in the world except us is doing a lot of investment in infrastructure and education. This is the country of the Erie Canal and the Interstate Highway System. The Erie Canal was a huge public infrastructure project financed with no private or public-private partnership. Can you imagine doing that in 21st century America? We really have slid backward for the past 200 years from the kinds of things we used to understand needed to be done now and then. And all of that because we are shackled to the wrong ideas.

    To summarize: if Obama had initiated the shovel-ready jobs of fixing our roads and bridges early in his first year as president, we'd be well on our way out of this recession/depression as far as working families are concerned.

    That's huge. Why would anyone even think of voting again for Obama?

    • 3 votes
    #4.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:01 AM EST
    truthlover

    Where's everyone else? Here's one more worth quoting (a short one):

    PLAYBOY: Were crimes committed here, and should people be in jail?

    KRUGMAN: It’s hard for me to believe there were no crimes. Given the scale of this, given how many corners were being cut, some people must have violated laws. I think people should be in jail partly because I’m sure crimes were committed and partly because the lack of accountability is a serious problem. Something terrible happened and nobody has been held accountable. The public is angry, and a lot of the anger is being directed at the wrong targets.

    • 3 votes
    #4.2 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:04 AM EST
    economics101

    The only real crime of note in the USA today is t5hat of not being rich. If you are poor, just getting by is often enough to get you tossed in jail, yet if you steal for a living ..... Its all OK???

    • 1 vote
    #4.3 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:20 AM EST
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    Bart Gruzalski

    Thanks for the passages, truthlover. I'm going to add one about OWS:

    PLAYBOY: Many complain that the Occupy Wall Street movement doesn’t have a clear message. What do you think?

    KRUGMAN: I think OWS has done a great service. We didn’t need 10-point proposals. We needed someone to declare that the emperor was naked. The conversation has shifted since the protests began, and that’s good.

    PLAYBOY: Are we undermining the political structure and our society if we’re not holding people accountable?

    KRUGMAN: My sense is that in the face of this catastrophe, people needed some sign, a kind of symbolic sense of who was to blame. Obama helped create a political monster that’s now come and bitten him. If you’re not going to point fingers at the people who actually caused the problem, then those fingers may end up pointed at you. But we’re doing only minimal reform. One of the big differences in the 1930s was genuine hearings. There was a genuine attempt to say who the evildoers were. This time around the powers that be are desperately afraid that Wall Street might be mad at them.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#5 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:09 AM EST
    economics101

    Actually OWS had a clear message, the problme is the media didn't want to hear it, so they went out looking for dissent ..... If I went looking for the opinions of one GOP or Dem member who believed in Aliens or socialism, who would vote for either party?

    The simple message was that banks and their associated businesses are the single biggest problem facing Humanity today. They have murdered more people than the Nazisd, peddle slavery, death and exploitation across the globe, and do so with zero interference from our "leaders", who are nothing more than spokesman for these people .... Pretty simple message, No? Surprised NBC and CNN are talking about that right?

    • 3 votes
    #5.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:24 AM EST
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